SPOS #332 – On Great Leadership With Mark Miller

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Welcome to episode #332 of Six Pixels Of Separation – The Twist Image Podcast. There are few kinder people than Mark Miller. I had the pleasure of meeting Mark many years ago at my first TED conference. I didn’t know anyone (and this can make it kind of awkward) and Mark was always kind, welcoming and willing to invite anyone and everyone into a conversation. I think I leaned on that kindness more than I should have at that first event, and over the years I would look forward to running into him at every TED. Mark is the author of three excellent books on leadership titled, Great Leaders Grow (his latest), The Secret Of Teams and The Secret. With each of these books, Mark worked (at varying levels) with Ken Blanchard (master author of books like, The One Minute Manager, Who Moved My Cheese?, Raving Fans and many more). I had been chomping at the bit to chat with Mark about his thoughts on what it takes to be a great leader. Mark is also the Vice President of Organizational Effectiveness at chick-fil-a. Our chat finally happened and the timing was, somewhat awkward. Chick-fil-a had created a firestorm when their COO, Dan Cathy, made several public statements about his thoughts on same sex marriage. Being who I am, I had to ask Mark about this as well. For the record: I am all for two things: happiness and peace. If two people want to be together and love each other, I don’t care who they are (or what they are), so long as they are adding more happiness and peace to the world. This podcast (and the blog) are never political, so I did my best to navigate the issue. I hope I both didn’t let any of the regular listeners down while, at the same time, respecting and honoring my friendship and admiration for the way Mark thinks about business and leadership. Enjoy the conversation…

Here it is: Six Pixels Of Separation – The Twist Image Podcast – Episode #332 – Host: Mitch Joel.

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  1. I’ve been listening to SPOS for quite a while and although I am not in marketing, I find your interviews to be extremely interesting and well done. In many cases your interviews are not interviews; they are discussions on a topic. Often you challenge your guests to defend/expand/justify their point of view and that really adds to the overall value of this podcast.
    In this podcast with Mark Miller your “Steve Jobs fan-boy” really came out. Granted, I am not a Steve Jobs fan; although I respect the Apple product design and marketing. When you asked Mark about Mr. Jobs leadership, I sensed Mr. Miller really dancing around not directly disagreeing with you. I believe there can be many different types of leadership and Jobs was a leader in product vision. Is he a leader in the way that Mark Miller is attempting to develop leaders? I believe not. Jobs was a visionary and many people wanted to be part of that vision. Yes, Jobs developed the “why” that Simon Sinak talks about, but companies need leadership that fits between the visionaries and the staff to help take a company somewhere. Visionaries can’t get you there alone and they will trample on staff unless we get better leaders in our corporations to help the visionaries be successful.

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