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SPOS #985 – Kathleen deLaski On A Future Where Degrees Won’t Matter

Welcome to episode #985 of Six Pixels of Separation – The ThinkersOne Podcast.

Kathleen deLaski is one of the most important voices rethinking the purpose, structure, and future of higher education. As founder of the Education Design Lab and board chair of Credential Engine, she’s spent the last decade helping over 1,200 colleges, organizations, and regional economies reimagine learning pathways for next-generation students – particularly the new majority learners often left behind by traditional institutions. Her new book, Who Needs College Anymore? is a provocative and optimistic look at how postsecondary education must evolve, drawing on over a decade of field research, human-centered design, and more than 150 interviews with educators, employers, learners, and policymakers. In this conversation, we unpack the diploma divide, the rising cost of education, the friction between what college teaches and what employers expect, and how AI is rewriting the script for entry-level jobs and professional training. Kathleen – whose career spans time as a journalist at ABC News, a Pentagon spokesperson, working at AOL in the early days of the Internet, and a philanthropic force behind education reform – brings not just perspective but practical ideas on how colleges, businesses, and society must adapt. This one challenges what we think college is for, and what meaningful learning might look like in a skills-based future. Enjoy the conversation…

Running time: 51:11.
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Chapters:

(00:00) – The Rise of Human-Centered Design in Education.
(02:45) – Challenges in Higher Education and the Need for Innovation.
(06:00) – Cultural Shifts and the Value of College.
(08:53) – The Diploma Divide and Its Societal Implications.
(11:54) – Affordability and Access to Education.
(14:47) – The Disconnect Between Degrees and Job Market.
(18:06) – The Importance of Experience Over Degrees.
(21:13) – Networking and Its Role in Career Success.
(29:38) – The Impact of AI on Job Markets.
(32:36) – The Future of Entry-Level Jobs.
(36:05) – Reevaluating Professional Education.
(41:35) – The Value of Trades in Modern Society.
(43:06) – Digital Learning and Its Challenges.
(47:17) – Generational Perspectives on Work Ethic.

Download the Podcast here: Six Pixels of Separation – The ThinkersOne Podcast – Episode #985.

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Mitch Joel

Mitch Joel lives at the intersection of technology, business transformation and consumer culture. He is the Executive Director of Next Era Institute, a strategic intelligence platform helping leaders understand the forces reshaping business, technology, culture and society. The Institute identifies which shifts matter, explores their wider significance and translates them into strategic direction and momentum. Mitch is also a globally recognized keynote speaker. He has delivered thousands of presentations across both B2B and B2C industries to organizations including Google, Walmart, LEGO, Shopify, Microsoft, Procter & Gamble and Unilever. Strategy Magazine has called him “one of North America’s leading visionaries.” Mitch built his career by working directly inside the waves of change that reshaped modern business. He founded and built a digital marketing agency that worked with some of the world’s largest brands and was later acquired by WPP, where he served as President of a firm operating in 25 countries with almost 3,000 employees. Mitch is the bestselling author of Six Pixels of Separation and CTRL ALT Delete, and the host of Thinking With Mitch Joel, one of the longest-running business podcasts in the world. His writing and commentary appear in outlets including Harvard Business Review, Fast Company and Inc. Magazine. He is a member of Dr. Marshall Goldsmith’s 100 Coaches and was named to the Thinkers50 Radar. Mitch also hosts Groove – The No Treble Podcast, documenting the oral history of electric bass players. Mitch is also Co-Founder of ThinkersOne, a platform that enables companies to bring personalized thought leadership from world-class experts into meetings, events and off-sites in focused 15-minute bursts.